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  is jesus a god?

  by javig in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

  another god?

  is him jesus?...

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  jonathan dough

  but is being built by Christ, its cornerstone... and the stone which those you've named reject.

  I rest my case.
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  is jesus a god?

  by javig in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

  another god?

  is him jesus?...

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  jonathan dough

  http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index.html#5

  AGuest,

  Just so we're clear about one thing, the VAST majority of Christians, Catholic and Protestant, disagree with your extremely novel ideas. I hope people realize not to take you too seriously because you're out on a limb.
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  Watchtower Ban In Russia Could Be Very Good

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  currently, various groups are in trouble in russia.

  and what is the nature of the emerging persecution?

  http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/22/2007/2448.

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  jonathan dough

  This thread has been going on for a couple of days over here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/183329/6/Russian-JWs-in-Serious-Trouble-about-to-be-banned
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  is jesus a god?

  by javig in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

  another god?

  is him jesus?...

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  jonathan dough

  Links:

  20) Proof texts that Jesus was, and is, God.

  21) Phillip said to Jesus: Show us the Father - (John 14:8-10)

  22) Jesus Christ resurrected Himself - (John 2:19 - 22)

  23) The heavenly resurrected Jesus is identified as Almighty God and the “First and the Last” because there can be only one “First and Last” and one “Alpha and Omega” and Jesus assumed both titles.

  24) The Father and I are one - (John 10:27-30)

  25) There is only one Savior who grants eternal salvation, and both the divine Person of Christ and God are that Savior.

  26) Jesus is “master” and absolute ruler - (Despotes); a separate Christ and a separate God cannot both exercise this role - (2 Peter 2:1; Jude 4)

  27) The eternal Christ was not created - (Isaiah 9:6)

  28) “Let us make man in our image” was not directed to Jesus the created master craftsman working beside the Creator, but was self-communication within the triune God - (Genesis 1:26)

  29) The fullness of the Godhead dwells inseparably in Jesus - (Colossians 2:9); He is the very imprint of God’s being - (Hebrews 1:3)

  30) Prior to His incarnation Christ subsisted in the form (morphe) of God - (Philippians 2:6)

  31) The Word, Christ, was the firstborn of all creation, but not in the sense of being created - (Colossians 1:15)

  32) The Word was “begotten,” but not made, not created - (John 1:14)

  33) The Messiah of the Old Testament stems from eternity - (Micah 5:2; Proverbs 8:22)

  34) The Almighty says of Jesus “Your throne, Oh God, is forever and ever” - (Hebrews 1:8, 9)

  35) Thomas called the resurrected Jesus “My Lord and my God” - (John 20:26 - 29)

  36) Jesus refers to Himself as the “I AM,” which is God’s own self-designation - (John 8:58)

  37) And the Word was God - (John 1:1)

  38) The Holy Spirit is the divine third Person of the Holy Trinity.

  46) Jesus Christ is not Michael the Archangel as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.
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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  But unless and until those reforms are made, I support the religion being under ban.

  Why don't we try and get legislation passed to deal with the problem instead? Have the courts recognized a parent's constitutional right to restrict their minor child's blood transfusion? I'm not up on these laws. Anybody know? Don't you have to prove they are violating the law first? If it's legal who are we to ban the religion outright?

  http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-5.html#26
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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  jonathan dough

  jonathan dough said: "Now, just to qualify what I said, I also think they are a Jones Town cult even though they don't know it. When THAT line has been crossed, I would hope the government does the right thing and steps in before it is too late. It's not there yet."

  They've already crossed a line, the line of child sacrifice.

  I have to agree with you that they have crossed that line in this regard, the Baal worship of child sacrifice. Courts don't seem to think so, though. They still allow it here, don't they? I think there are better ways to deal with this than banning the entire religion outright.

  http://144000.110mb.com/607/i-3.html
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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  jonathan dough

  Russia is not the United State and it does not have "freedom of religion" so to state that they shouldn't ban the Witnesses is a moot point.

  That's not a moot point at all but highly relevant. Russia is rapidly losing any semblance of freedom and democracy they pretended to practice, and criticism of that ominous trend is as vital as our criticism of other nations that violate basic human rights. Obviously our laws aren't their laws, and no, we are not Russia, yet, but that shouldn't prevent the U.S from pressuring the Russians from restraining themselves. We do it all the time around the world. This country stands for some things, and we should be grateful it shines a light of democracy and freedom into the darker corners.

  But let's be realistic, those freedoms are fading fast, the constitution is being shredded and we are gradually becoming more and more like .... the Russians ....

  Now, as far as Russia not having "freedom of religion," I suspect that is a bit of an overstatement. If you could show us something concrete to back up your claim we might be more inclined to believe that. But I doubt it. And even if Russia didn't have any freedom of religion, that doesn't mean they're right. It means they are ignorant, backward, heathens.

  http://144000.110mb.com/607/i-2.html#E
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  Russian JWs in Serious Trouble - about to be banned

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  although it has been leading up to this for a long time, it appears russia has made up their mind to get rid of "extremist" groups by banning them, and jws are pretty much at the top of the list.

  the last few years under putin they have been giving them heaps of trouble.. .

  i am not for bans as it usually backfires, but under the "new" admnistration it looks like hard-core responses are in order.

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  jonathan dough

  jonathan, please check this country lately, our rights are getting smaller and smaller

  I'm fully aware of that. In fact, that is my warning. Let's not make them smaller.